I often argue with my friend Mary (not her real name) about political issues, she is a pro-government person in almost every respect. So we are basically on the opposite ends of the political spectrum. She toes the democrat line on some things like welfare, education, etc, and the republican line on things like security and tightening the borders, etc, and is pretty much a totalitarian.
So a typical argument of ours goes something like this:
Fester “Taxes are theft”
Mary “taxes are not theft they are the price we pay for the the services government provides like roads, schools and defense, etc, etc.”.
I will never convince her otherwise, and for obvious reasons. Even though she likes to use the collectivist speak of “we” in reality she really pays NO TAXES so to her it seems as if the government is providing all of these services at a reasonable cost (and by reasonable I mean free). She is giving nothing and getting something for it, so she will never agree to my position. She is part of the local PTA, but she has never done anything except rent her whole adult life, so she has no idea how much of her rent goes to property taxes and when her rent is raised, the blame always lands on the “greedy” landlord and not the government. She doesn't work (she does have a small business where she sells overpriced vibrators at parties, but that makes her very little money), and has kids, so each year when filling out her income tax forms, she gets a check for $3000 more than she actually paid in. She sends her kids to government school, which even if they don't get any kind of education from that, she gets a free babysitting service. She might claim that she pays some taxes, but I have to wonder where? She lives in Nevada, where there is no sales tax on food, nor is there an income tax. She gets far more back from the federal government than she puts in. The casinos are heavily taxed and that is where the state and cities get most of the funding for the “services” that are provided. She lives in a comparable way to most other people, and even though she thinks she is poor, really it is hard to tell. She lives in a house that gives each of her kids their own bedroom, she drives a fairly new car, she has cable internet and cable TV, she has a washer and dryer and a costco membership. She will claim poverty, but she seems to live as well as people who are middle class and earn a lot more, but then have to pay a lot of their income in taxes and instead of getting a big check every year from the government, have to send the government a big check. She doesn't spend a lot on food since her kids often eat at school with a subsidized meal, and then at home a large portion of the monthly food bill is paid for using food stamps. She is all for socialized healthcare, and why not? She knows that she won't be paying for it.
We all know people like Mary, people who think the government is great because for them it is a one way street, they get the good without the bad. I don't know that these people will ever be convinced of how bad the government is until the heavy hand of the government clinches into a fist and punches them in the face.